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Paulo_Freire



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:10 pm    Post subject: Don't go Phil Reply with quote

Hey Phil, I think it was the server move, but I can relate to how being censored feels like. The problem is message boards have their plausible deniabilities lined up and unlike George Clooney, we do not have media access to explain our view of any discrepancies between ourselves and the blog owner. Yet, I don't think Fintan's trying to censor you. I think you should stick around. I also agree with carlos J that we need to keep this civil and try not to attack the messenger. There was one poster here who was trying to engage me, but it just felt funny, so I ignored him. So we should stick to discussing the points and stay away from the ad hominen attacks.

This is where I agree with yourself and others: Sure, Fintan seems to have come up with good analysis on WRH, Rense, Madsen, prison planet, Sibel-Walton, the demonization of Bush. I just don't see how he made the jump to the big list.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:25 pm    Post subject: Free Speech Reply with quote

No censorship Phil dude, just simple DNS logic.
Here's how it works.

When the site moves server it gets a new DNS.
But this DNS takes time to move out across the net.

The server move was at 9pm ET Tuesday, but the old
server was still there. If I was smart I would have disabled
the posting on the server before the move, and reenabled it
after the move. I have no access to the old server now.

So Phil, your DNS was pointing to the old server when you posted.

I think we lost three new registrations too. Just to clear it all up. Smile
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Phil Howe



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Free Speech Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:
No censorship Phil dude, just simple DNS logic.
Here's how it works.

When the site moves server it gets a new DNS.
But this DNS takes time to move out across the net.

The server move was at 9pm ET Tuesday, but the old
server was still there. If I was smart I would have disabled
the posting on the server before the move, and reenabled it
after the move. I have no access to the old server now.

So Phil, your DNS was pointing to the old server when you posted.

I think we lost three new registrations too. Just to clear it all up. Smile



Ok Fintan, I appreciate the feedback. I just thought it odd only my posts vanished but that's paranoia for ya!! .... I have a lot on right now anyway so i'll still leave you in peace for the time being. Trying to get a mortage and an apartment after my last attempt fell on its face after 2 months of blood sweat and tears. Hohum, that's life Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:48 pm    Post subject: The 'Movement' gets some star power... Reply with quote

Exciting developments over at the Prison Planet - Charlie Sheen going on the record saying 911 was an 'inside job'. I think it's interesting that he's officially joining the 'truth movement' - joining the ranks of the 'credible whistle blowers.'

Interesting from the son of the man who 'played the president' on TV's 'West Wing'. I'm not suggesting anything in particular, I just think it's interesting, that's all. Alex also mentioned in the interview that he was 'honored to be working on a project together', so I'm also curious to see what that turns out to be.

This should be entertaining at least, now that the church of celebrity is officially getting involved.


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Actor Charlie Sheen Questions Official 9/11 Story
Calls for truly independent investigation, joins growing ranks of prominent credible whistleblowers

Alex Jones & Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | March 20 2006

Actor Charlie Sheen has joined a growing army of other highly credible public figures in questioning the official story of 9/11 and calling for a new independent investigation of the attack and the circumstances surrounding it.

Over the past two years, scores of highly regarded individuals have gone public to express their serious doubts about 9/11. These include former presidential advisor and CIA analyst Ray McGovern, the father of Reaganomics and former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury Paul Craig Roberts, BYU physics Professor Steven Jones, former German defense minister Andreas von Buelow, former MI5 officer David Shayler, former Blair cabinet member Michael Meacher, former Chief Economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term Morgan Reynolds and many more.

From: Actor Charlie Sheen Questions Official 9/11 Story
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/200306charliesheen.htm


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Huge Reaction To Sheen 9/11 Story
Linked on Drudge, later removed

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | March 21 2006

Yesterday's Charlie Sheen story, in which the actor went public with his grave suspicions about the official story of 9/11, received widespread interest across the Internet and was even linked on the Drudge Report for a time, a news website that gets more traffic than the New York Times.

Our observations will now center around the question of if any mainstream outlets will pick up the story or seek to interview Mr. Sheen regarding his comments. The story is obviously big enough to be of interest to a wide readership but its context may cause establishment controlled media to shy away in journalistic cowardice.

Prominent alternative website Rense.com carried the story as did many others but who will be the first aside from Drudge to give the issue mainstream spotlight?

The story appeared on Drudge shortly after 6pm CST and our servers began receiving hits from millions of readers. A link from Drudge regularly overloads even medium sized mainstream websites and they go offline for hours. Despite a little slowdown, we managed to ride the wave fairly comfortably until Drudge mysteriously killed the link after 10pm CST.

We had even replaced our usual format page with a bare bones printer-friendly style version to ensure maximum speed and delivery of the page, so it is unlikely Drudge (pictured below) removed the link because of bottlenecked traffic. We speculated that another webmaster had posted the link and Drudge personally removed it upon seeing it.

(snip...)

In many ways a Hollywood celebrity stepping forward and making these comments receives more attention than a former government official or physics professor because the information is wrapped in a package that is instantly recognizable to a wide audience.

From: Huge Reaction To Sheen 9/11 Story
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/210306hugereaction.htm


Well, I certainly agree with that last sentence.

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Mainstream Media Blackout On Sheen 9/11 Piece

Controlled gatekeepers and delusional Neo-Cons attempt to kill story

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | March 22 2006


Despite a huge reaction amongst the alternative media to Charlie Sheen's comments on 9/11, in part due to a brief link on the Drudge Report which was mysteriously pulled after a few hours, newswires and entertainment outlets have actively sought to impose a blackout on the story.

(snip...)

Does this represent simple journalistic cowardice or should we pay attention to the fact that the government has been caught time and time again paying off reporters to produce fake news and the Church Hearings of the 70's which concluded that the CIA has fully infiltrated newspapers and newswires with their agents across the country?


Uh, and why should we think the internet is any different?

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George Bush can be an admitted narcotics user, have DWI's, frolic around with homosexual porn star Jeff Gannon, scream at staffers and have fits of anger, lie naked in a coffin and masturbate as part of his skull and bones ritual, and engage in mock human sacrifice at Bohemian Grove, a place where gay male porn stars are bused in to 'service' the members', and yet we are attacked by hypocritical phony Christians by even having Mr. Sheen as a guest on the show.



I just love that they are able fit Bush beating off into a piece about Charlie Sheen! Wink

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Sheen initially came forward because he was concerned about where America is heading as a country. He is the first from his industry to go public and his couragerousness should be saluted. Alex Jones has spoken privately with other Hollywood figures that are educated on 9/11 yet do not wish to step into the limelight and risk being attacked. Sheen took the risk and the reaction has been mute because he was very careful about his research before speaking out. This should be seen as a victory. The media cannot spin Sheen's comments because they are dead on target and leave no room to be taken out of context.

(snip...)

Newspaper readership and TV news viewership is plummeting as people flock to the alternative media because the mainstream's credibility lies in tatters as it repeatedly lies by omission and covers-up for its government handlers.

From: Mainstream Media Blackout On Sheen 9/11 Piece
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/220306mediablackout.htm


Unlike the internet media, which is always honest and reliable. And finally:

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Celebrity 'Gossip Rag' Lives Up To Its Name
Defamer attacks Charlie Sheen


Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | March 22 2006


Celebrity Los Angeles based gossip e-rag Defamer was one of the few, amidst the mainstream blackout, to pick up on Charlie Sheen's 9/11 comments. Using the pathetic tactic of attacking the messenger rather than the message the Defamer sought to label Sheen's statements as crackpot conspiracy theory.


And of course they are able to fit W's coffin toss in yet again, not to mention the 'cast' of regulars again.

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These feverish morons can sit back and snicker at Charlie Sheen's past mistakes, ones that he has publicly apologized for, and yet would line up to lick boots when confronted with their morally resplendent Commander in Chief.

George Bush can be an admitted narcotics user, have DWI's, frolic around with homosexual porn star Jeff Gannon, scream at staffers and have fits of anger, lie naked in a coffin and masturbate as part of his skull and bones ritual, and engage in mock human sacrifice at Bohemian Grove, a place where gay male porn stars are bused in to 'service' the members', and yet Sheen we are told is not credible because his day job is about making people laugh.

Sheen comes from a family of political activists and the evidence he presented on 9/11 has been backed up in triplicate by such individuals as former presidential advisor and CIA analyst Ray McGovern, the father of Reaganomics and former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury Paul Craig Roberts, BYU physics Professor Steven Jones, former German defense minister Andreas von Buelow, former MI5 officer David Shayler, former Blair cabinet member Michael Meacher, former Chief Economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term Morgan Reynolds and many more.

From: Celebrity 'Gossip Rag' Lives Up To Its Name
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/220306gossiprag.htm


There's certainly no shortage of Sheen heartthrob publicity shots over at the PP. I'm just sayin - he is quite a dashing young (spokes) man. Wink
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Fintan
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:24 am    Post subject: Uneven Performance from Sheen Reply with quote


Link to Quicktime Audio
of Martin Sheen Interview:

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/200306sheen.htm
or MP3 here:
http://www.infowarsmedia.com/audio/200306sheen_comm_free.mp3

A little uneven a performance from Sheen, who took some time to losen up
and get into his stride. During the first twenty minutes Jones had to
spoonfeed lines to Sheen --who seemed to flounder, looking where to
start.

Then he perked up and we had a rather predictable rehash of the most
notable 9/11 talking points: "Boxcutter Amateurs", "WTC7 Pull", "Bush &
The Goat Story","Pentagon CCTV tapes", and "PNAC".

One of the best hits on target was when Sheen brought up the Bush
Administration having finalized Afghanistan war plans two days before
9/11 with the massing of US & UK troops in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.

And when he compared the immediate investigation of other national
events like the JFK assassination or Pearl Harbor to the one year
truncated 9/11 commission inquiry.

But Sheen was all over the place when asked what kind of investigation
should now examine the issue again.

It came over as a genuine level of unease by someone who sees the 9/11
story is out of whack.

The comment by Jones about his looking forward to working with Sheen
on a "project", is interesting also. That pushed Sheen a little too close to
Jones for his own good. A circumspect Hollywood actor is a politician, and
that makes it look like he is rather cosy with Jones.

So, is Sheen just a regular guy with doubts about 9/11, or a player being
positioned as yet another establishment "safe pair of hands" on the 9/11
issue?

Now that's a really good question.
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Phil Howe



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Sheen is just another guy like us who has his doubts. I think it's a good thing he has gone public with his views but within a week or so it will be forgotten I suspect.....unless he decides to keep it up and keep speaking about it. At the same time I find it a bit annoying that just because he is a celebrity he will likely attract more attention to this issue than most other people within this sphere- like you and I. That said It could also be a good thing, if you can't beat em join em and all that, perhaps the sheople won't listen to us but might listen to a household name like Sheen. I suppose there is a social/philosophical debate to be had that over just what that means about how people idolise celebs but I can't be bothered to get into that. No way he is establishment though, when you think how many celebrities there are the law of probability suggests there would eventually be one or two who joined the chorus. Any bets on George Clooney doing the same in the future? -probably not.

It will be interesting to see what Sheen does next, if anything.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have not had time to read the last 10 pages of this thread, but I think that talking about WHO did 911 is for speculative purposes only. None of us now alive will ever know WHO, and maybe it will never be known ever.
YOu can see that it is a large and tangled web and it will likely fold up on itself so that it can never be sorted out.

As to the Illuminati. NO, you cannot arbitrarily join them. No, they do not have an official web site. No, they will not identify themselves. You may never know anything but speculative inferences on who may have been a member. Also bear in mind that the name could be taken by any organization. Like the KKK. You may think of it as a "white" organization, however there are black groups, and mixed groups that also use the name.

The best thing to do with unverifiable information is to put it on a shelf in your mind for futher consideration when new info comes along.

As to A.Jones and others, keep in mind that they will say whatever it takes for them to make a living. Personally, I think much of what he tells is only part truth, and all of it is exaggerated. I got tired of and from listening to him.
I also have great reservation about M. Rivero. He did seem to back up on his 911 stories. The part where he showed a pic of a pile of debri that looked like it contained file cabinets and desks, and said, " here is what remains of the Boeing" really wrote him off for me.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:45 pm    Post subject: The 9/11 Cartoon Pied Pipers Reply with quote


Jimmy Walter,
millionaire, comic genius and... Official 9/11 Lunatic.


JIMMY WALTER: "I firmly believe that many of the alleged passengers
on the alleged hijacked aircraft are still alive. And quite frankly I think
they were probably all working for the government.
"


The 9/11 Cartoon Pied Pipers

In the CIA Internet Fakes, released 4th August, 2005, we outed
a host of websites --either controlled by the CIA/FBI/KGB/ETC,
or hopelessly compromised by willingly gushing out heaps of Intel-
designed 9/11 Tabloid Crud. Now we track how leading lights on
the 9/11 issue are being used to discredit the whole movement
.


Latest: Audio by Fintan Dunne Mp3: Listen

by Fintan Dunne, BreakForNews.com 11 April, 2006

ARTICLE TEXT TO FOLLOW.....


Penn & Teller on 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Video HERE also
Show Page Here

"The video is nine minutes long, but HILARIOUS! My favorite is when
Jimmy Walter put on the chickenhawk helmet and clucked. As Penn
said..."sometimes you should judge a book by its cover". source

JIMMY WALTER IN ACTION: SENSIBLE JIMMY..... & LUNATIC JIMMY



SENSIBLE JIMMY 2004 Anderson Cooper/CNN Interviews Jimmy Walter

COOPER: Jimmy, let me start off with 2 things. You talk about the
Pentagon and Tower Number 7. Let's talk with the Pentagon. If Flight 77
didn't crash into the Pentagon, as you claim it didn't, what did and what
happened to the 64 passengers who have died?

JAMES W. WALTER, CREATOR OF REOPEN911.ORG: Well, I don't know.
And I am not the person to ask this, I don't have the best evidence.
Link also

LUNATIC JIMMY 2005 Penn & Teller Feature Jimmy Walter Link

JIMMY WALTER: "I firmly believe that many of the alleged passengers on
the alleged hijacked aircraft are still alive. And quite frankly I think they
were probably all working for the government.
"


Also: Jimmy Walter's Venezuela Trip
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Mr Finton I know you are a man who believes in synchronicity, right?

I just joined this forum at a point of a synchronistic small event that I will keep to myself at this time.

If you can see this then you are truly wise, if not then I will know that you are only human, which is all right. I will give you a hint.

The number of my
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:40 pm    Post subject: Puzzle Reply with quote

Oh cool, a logic puzzle ... I love them! I get 3 guesses ...

2) You both like the Police album. No?
4) Both your cars' transmissions have synchronous gears. No?
7) You both have the same hobbies. No?

Ah shi*t, you got me ... for all I know it was the number of replies to this thread ... at the time you registered. I hope Fintan has better luck than I did!

Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:08 pm    Post subject: only humqn Reply with quote

zak247 wrote:
then I will know that you are only human


I hope Fintan is only human, if most people acted human toward one another the world would be a better place.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:
The video is nine minutes long, but HILARIOUS! My favorite is when
Jimmy Walter put on the chickenhawk helmet and clucked. As Penn
said..."sometimes you should judge a book by its cover".
Hilarious and sickening,what a total loser.I dont believe its possible that Jimmy is dumb enough to not know the damage he caused by claiming that he thinks all the passengers are alive and worked for the government,of all the claims you could possibly make about 9-11........wow.Which goes a long way toward proving hes not just a "usefull idiot",hes CIA all the way.And Eric"the holocaust never happened" Hufschmid is probably one of the worst 9-11 spokespeople you could find,he comes across just like they want him to,a pathetic nutjob geek loser who "wacks to tragedy".His website is a steaming pile of crap.Around the time he came out with his book "painfull questions"I had no idea of the level of disinfo going on,all I knew was that 9-11 was a staged terrorist attack and the trade center was brought down with explosives,and I wanted to expose this to everyone I possibly could.I came across "painfull questions" and thought it was a pretty good info source to show people,good pictures etc,and many of the people I showed it to were intrigued.After awhile I began to realize that hufschmid was a bad person to associate with "9-11 truth"and I have seen it play out before my eyes.Since realizing the scope of the coverup going on (thanks mostly to Fintan) its easier to spot the Rats but im sure there are plenty more out there still nibbling at the wiring in the walls,so our work is cut out for us.
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