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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:07 pm    Post subject: Contant opposing messages Reply with quote

The media...
Screwing with your mind... again...

If 'over there' it's bad, over here it's good.
If 'over there' it's good, over here it's bad.

It's quite obvous that Globalization (or as I like to call it Normalization of EVERYTHING) is happening in many fronts. Living standards are be normalized... your rights, privacy etc, all being normalized/neutralized.

Normalized? What the hell is that??

It's the method by which the masters of Globalization get you to look "over at those poor repressed people that have no rights, or shitty living conditions etc", and gets you to "feel" for them, and compelled that you do something about it.

Then, they recommend the EXACT OPPOSITE domestically. And get you to "agree".

Bringing their living standards, UP, while bringing your living standards DOWN. All part of Globalization master plan.

While they get you interested in making sure people "over there" have "freedom", they are taking your freedom away.

So while they push "internet freedom" elsewhere, they figure out ways to censor the internet domestically.

While they talk about the dangers of toxic foods "over there", they push more and more of them on the market here.

While they rally to "increase freedom of choice" elsewhere, around here, choice is being limited.

While they talk about how bad "dictatorships" are over there, they are they aren't addressing the dictatorship that is/has formed here (because we don't even know what a dictatorship is anymore)

While they talk about how "energy consumption" is increasing over there, and we need to help those countries 'grow'.. they talk about shortages, and higher prices over here, and how we need to reduce...

While they get you to send your money/help/assistance to third-world countries, locally... feed the hungry, and go to jail is the message being pushed.
http://news.netscape.com/story/2006/07/30/-feed-the-hungry-go-to-jail

You can see it in almost every situation.

Eventually, standards will 'meet' somewhere in the middle, and domestic [whatever] will be equivalent to foreign [whatever], and systems can then be melded.

Here's one on censorship that popped out at me...
They've been mentioning this quite a bit lately in Canada...
The "Great Firewall of Canada" (it's going to stop child porn...!! Really!...)
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/24/054220
(Actually, it will just force those sick-fucks to go further underground, and make them harder to catch, but that's another topic)

But that's OK... we can help those "poor" repressed people 'over there' who don't have any Internet freedom by figuring out ways around their firewalls...
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20061130.CENSOR30/TPStory/National
I love the example they use... "women's issues".

To totally get you thinking in double-think...
So, while we figure out ways to help remove censorship in OTHER countries, we spend just as much time installing more content controls domestically.

Over there its BAD, over here it's GOOD.
Over there its GOOD, over here it's BAD.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:43 am    Post subject: Iran replaces $ with euro; signs 4 security agreements Reply with quote

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Payvand's Iran News ...

12/5/06
Iran to replace dollar with euro in foreign trade: Finance Minister

TEHRAN, Dec. 4 (Mehr News Agency) ñ Iran has decided to replace dollar with euro in its foreign trade given the continual impediments and hostile policies directed by U.S. toward the country, Iranian finance minister said on Monday.

According to ISNA, the would-be decision is also more attuned to existing trade volume between Iran and European nations, the country's major economic partners, which is transacted through the 'euro banks'.

"Such inclination has been underlying part of our economic policy for awhile and our Oil Stabilization Fund (OSF) in dollar is at its lowest now," Davud Danesh-Jafari continued.

Back in September, the head of the Central Bank of Iran (CBI) Ebrahim Sheibani had threatened that Iran would resort to dollar-to-euro conversion if the U.S. pressure continued. Moreover, the 9/11 event seemed to consolidate a tentative unanimity being formed on this matter among Iranian statesmen after the emergence of euro in 2000.

Experts believe that less reliance on dollar and conversion to euro may increase Iran's financial flexibility and access to euro accounts would be easier if the U.S. chooses to impose a unilateral economic sanction on the country.

http://www.mehrnews.com/en/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=416994


This looks to be more potentially destructive than switching dollars for euros...

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Tehran: 19:18 , 2006/12/06

Iran to sign security agreements with four neighbors

TEHRAN, Dec. 6 (MNA) -- The Iranian cabinet approved on Wednesday a bill to sign security cooperation agreements with four neighboring countries.

According to the proposal which was put forward by the Interior Ministry, Iran will ink separate security cooperation agreements with Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkey, and Oman.

SA/RS/HG

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, it's like when the company you work for is bragging all year about how great the stock is doing, how they are on top in sales, and business is booming - until raise time comes... then you hear the exact opposite.

how to believe what is true anymore??? i'm guessing it depends who's trying to motivate whom at what point in time. (in other words, it's all bs.)

the facts are hard to determine... what we do have are folks who are increasingly benefitting and folks who are increasingly feeling the brunt.

we had a thread a little while back on doublespeak. the points you make are definitely along those lines. elbowdeep. it's crazy. i keep thinking of the wizard of oz yelling while the dog pulls the curtain away.

it'd be nice if the real wizard got busted. wonder if it'll ever happen in my lifetime...

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:37 am    Post subject: TRUTH TIME Reply with quote

RedMahna wrote:
yeah, it's like when the company you work for is bragging all year about how great the stock is doing, how they are on top in sales, and business is booming - until raise time comes... then you hear the exact opposite.


Question Is it a company that has to publish results? Can you get a contract or just a letter agreement? Anything at all?

I hate to say it but from years of experience, and without knowing you personally (so you cannot take this personally) but

1) they WILL formalize an agreement in writing and pay you MORE than what your going rate woud be, in some cases A SHITLOAD more, depending on what your specialty is (you can rip 'Stairway to Heaven?' real good, right - like Ozzie used to do it, right?)

The catch is you have to ask for it, and if you are in sales or you work for this 'type' of hard charging sales type of boss, sometimes they are so dysfunctional they get their jollies watching their subordinates jump through invisible hoops all day long. But who cares? As long as you are getting paid more than they would pay someone to replace you - to account for the turnover costs they are not incurring for every year you remain there, plus the continuity, peace of mind (HUGE) and the assorted goodwill categories.

2) they will NOT pay what I described in #1 if you are in sales or a macho type 'testosterone-driven' culture of cutthroat competition, and that goes double for a pathological narcissistically dysfunctional cutthroat competitive culture. They are hard wired to have more respect for those that tell them to go fuck themselves (privately, not to embarrass them) than anyone who is nice. It is retarded - I know. It is just like employees who will create a problem to solve and look like the hero, all because they were worried about the unusual curl to your (me as boss) upper lip as I sipped the coffee and maybe it was sour milk in the fridge but I didn't say anything........ad nauseum.

And if it doesn't get better? Or if they promise and then break the promise over and over and over, time to go. It sucks, but otherwise we are just as much contributing to the problem as everyone else, simply because when we persist in giving someone the benefit of the doubt, or otherwise rationalize behaviors that we KNOW are fundamentally dishonest and abusive, but to us they are not really abusive because of the abuse we grew up with, it is still abuse, and that is the problem: we can never grow out of that role, the other people are expecting us to play that role as much as we expect to play the role, too. When we don't or try to play a different part, they don't know what to do. Then they start to get scared, and then they can't function - no one can function in fear and anxiety, not well anyway, and that is part of the whole reason they want to keep us full of fear and anxiety.

Great ways to accomplish that: 1) lie all the time, then blame the people you lied to (subordinates), 2) stiff them on their raise every year and then go out and buy a brand new car or take a vacation and tell everyone about it; 3) never show emotions that make one appear vulnerable (to create a culture of mistrust and dishonesty) because honest people generally can't work 5 seconds in a dishonest place. Dishonest people at an honest shop don't last too much longer, but they do get the benefit of having stolen something in the process. Cool

Arrow QUIT! You ever see "American Beauty?" The only thing that prevents you from sitting where you hear the lie and sitting where you are the lie, is a willingness to lie...or a willingness to call them on it.


Personally, I cannot tell a lie. Never have been able to, tried, can't do it. I am happy about that, but believe me - I am at least as frustrated as you are
Arrow UNTIL I REMEMBER ONCE AGAIN - EVERYONE IS LYING!!


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how to believe what is true anymore??? i'm guessing it depends who's trying to motivate whom at what point in time. (in other words, it's all bs.)

the facts are hard to determine... what we do have are folks who are increasingly benefitting and folks who are increasingly feeling the brunt.

we had a thread a little while back on doublespeak. the points you make are definitely along those lines. elbowdeep. it's crazy. i keep thinking of the wizard of oz yelling while the dog pulls the curtain away.

it'd be nice if the real wizard got busted. wonder if it'll ever happen in my lifetime...

red


POPE = SATAN

(I am working on proving it - almost there!)

The Pope and the Catholic Church is THE FALSE PROPHET that is an original extension of the Roman Empire. They control EVERYTHING.

Thats why nothing happens except bishops and cardinals whine about how unfairly they are treated whenever one of them has actually been arrested.


I can just imagine overhearing them bitching to themselves about how they got the tail end of the millenium, of but for the 'glory days' of the inquisition, the reformation, and all they get to deal with is the aftermath when there is nothing going on any more...

But there is still all the blatant right 'in your face' deception that just cannot get any more fucking obvious unless they actually got naked right up front on Sunday during the sermon...and I would bet you that could happen right in front of the congregation on a packed Easter Sunday and would still have at least 1 couple leave and pass a lie detector test later that they saw nothing, the priest is a good man, leave him alone, doing gods work....BLAHBLAH!

Fortunately, all that is necessary is to call the POPE SATAN and they will run like the shadow in the first morning light. Truth is the loudest, and it is always screaming, always there, when we are ready to hear; when our consciousness has evovled to the stage that we should hear; but that is and will still be a 'painful realignment' that for many people is a 'fate worse than death' so ??

What did Seinfelds joke used to be - people are MORE afraid of public speaking than they are of dying? So if you have to go to a funereal, and get to choose, theoretically most people would rather be in the box, than giving the eulogy?

It has everything to do with consciousness and the rate at which our consciousness is evolving, constantly speeding up and shifting over time periods that once took 400 years > 20 years > 1 year (where we are now) > 20 days then (party like its 2011!!!)

Red - are you booked for that date? Maybe we should sign you up now, you know, something to look forward to??


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1841 English Hexapla Parallel New Testament
Facsimile Reproduction
• This is page one of six different bible versions all written out for comparison, one per column.
• Look at the discrepancies on just the first page - and this was supposedly after taking eons of time to be sure every letter is correct.
(But correct according to whom?)


Left-Hand Page

What makes this book so special?
• All six of the most important English translations.
• In columns for comparison & original Greek top of page.
• Detailed preface telling how each translation led to the next (1380 - 1611 AD)



Right-Hand Page



It quite literally shows how:

• The English language itself changed;
• The translation of scriptures changed;
• From 1380 - 1611 AD


Unique insights into the interpretation of Biblical texts are available in this format which are not available from Bible-study aids in print today.
Idea What are the chances that these could have been written all at the same time and it is the stories that were made up that we cannot know because we werent alive then (with a blindfolded consciousness)?

I feel it is becoming more critical every day to consider consciousness that was primary and determined awareness and perception at every stage of evolution. Otherwise, we are always 'coloring' our views, which will happen anyway, but at least we would be aware of it.

Unique insights?
1. How did society and the whole world become so obsessed by a longhand manuscript that was copied that way for over 2000 years!

Arrow The ONLY way would be in conscious awareness of spiritual energy as the energy of creation in the evolution of consciousness.

2. Idea Did languages change over time in order to change the meaning of words?

Or did language change to reflect the meaning of words changing thereby necessitating the changes in the language?

Or did the language change so the words to reflect changes eventually resulted in the new language?

Otherwise, why change a language?


Arrow My belief is now the opposite of what is probably what most of us were taught - that languages just 'change' from generation to generation, and that may be true, but knowing how much of everything else is either an outright LIE or NOT what it appears, or IS what it appears and we just don't want to see it for what it is...

Idea I believe it a worthwhile possibility to consider that the LANGUAGE WAS CHANGED TO CHANGE THE MEANING OF THE WORD.

Not the way I would normally think the language would evolve, but the other aspect of this bible investigation is the consciousness that is as much a part of each version of the Bible, any bible, as the words that are in it, which also reflects the words NOT in it.

Arrow Given the corruption of the original Latin Vulgate Bible for the Vatican, and their refusal to translate into Engtlish, and the countless people killed for attempting to exercise those and similar freedoms;

Why would they not change everything they possibly could change? Burn all the evidence, kill everybody and just start over?

Arrow If that does not explain the 'dark ages' and the 'middle ages' lack of any recorded history or legend or anything of the sort, as though they just did not exist? Dark is one thing, but they just disappeared!


3) Another viewpoint would be from outside of our evolutionary process, where we could view spirit as consciousness > primary to matter and motion.

man > word but the source of the Earths problems is the word. So it could not be anything that man created.
Especially knowing the word was god, there is more to the word as our means of communication. Spirit determines consciousness in energy and that filters down below to each as they are.


We really do not know when we just became conscious, then conscious of consciousness, then aware of conscious consciousness, and here we are today? We have no idea, other than what we take for history and truth and integrity and intentions.


KISS! = KEEP IT SIMPLE, SATAN!

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English Bible History


• The fascinating story of how we got the Bible in its present form actually starts thousands of years ago:

Pre-Reformation History of the Bible from 1,400 B.C. to 1,400 A.D.:
• Transmission of scripture through Hebrew and Greek;
• 1,000 Years Dark & Middle Ages - Word was trapped in Latin.




[size=14]John Wycliffe


• First hand-written English language Bible manuscripts produced in the 1380's AD
• Oxford professor, scholar, and theologian;
• Wycliffe was well-known throughout Europe for his opposition to the teaching of the organized Church;
• He believed the Popes Catholic teaching contrary to the Bible.
• Wycliffe (& assistants) produced dozens of English copies of the scriptures.
• They were translated out of the Latin Vulgate which was the only source text available to Wycliffe.

• The Pope was so infuriated by his teachings and his translation of the Bible into English, that 44 years after Wycliffe had died, he ordered the bones to be dug-up, crushed, and scattered in the river!
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44 Years later, huh? Now THAT is to carry a grudge! Jesus Christ Sakes Almighty Holy Eucharist! 44 Years!

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John Hus promoted Wycliffe’s ideas:

1) People should read the Bible in their own language, and
2) they should oppose the tyranny that threatened anyone possessing a non-Latin Bible with execution.


Hus was burned at the stake in 1415, with Wycliffe’s manuscript Bibles used as kindling for the fire.

• The last words of John Hus were that:
-“in 100 years, God will raise up a man whose calls for reform cannot be suppressed.”

• Almost exactly 100 years later, in 1517, Martin Luther nailed his famous 95 Theses of Contention into the church door at Wittenberg.

• Martin Luther first man to print the Bible in German.


• Foxe’s Book of Martyrs records that in that same year, 1517, seven people were burned at the stake by the Roman Catholic Church for the crime of teaching their children to say the Lord’s Prayer in English rather than Latin.




Get that? Seven (7) KIDS parents burned at the stake for teaching their kids to say the Lords prayer in English instead of Latin - but nobody could understand Latin (the point, I know) but who the fuck wants to say a prayer you can't goddamn underfuckingstand???

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Thomas Linacre


• In the 1490’s Thomas Linacre decided to learn Greek;

• After reading the Gospels in Greek, and comparing it to the Latin Vulgate, he wrote in his diary:

“Either this (the original Greek) is not the Gospel… or we are not Christians.”

• The Latin had become so corrupt that it no longer even preserved the message of the Gospel.
• The Church still threatened to kill anyone who read the scripture in any language other than Latin…..
though Latin was not an original language of the scriptures.



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John Colet • In 1496, John Colet, another Oxford professor;

• started reading the New Testament in Greek; and
• translating it into English for his students at Oxford, and
• later for the public at Saint Paul’s Cathedral in London.
• The people were so hungry to hear the Word of God
• in a language they could understand, that
• within six months there were 20,000 people packed in the church and
• at least that many outside trying to get in!
Fortunately for Colet, he was a powerful man with friends in high places;
• so he amazingly managed to avoid execution.


http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/



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Consider the following textual comparison of the earliest English translations of John 3:16, as shown in the English Hexapla Parallel New Testament:

1st Ed. King James (1611):
"For God so loued the world, that he gaue his only begotten Sonne: that whosoeuer beleeueth in him, should not perish, but haue euerlasting life."

Rheims (1582):
"For so God loued the vvorld, that he gaue his only-begotten sonne: that euery one that beleeueth in him, perish not, but may haue life euerlasting"

Geneva (1560):
"For God so loueth the world, that he hath geuen his only begotten Sonne: that none that beleue in him, should peryshe, but haue euerlasting lyfe."

Great Bible (1539):
"For God so loued the worlde, that he gaue his only begotten sonne, that whosoeuer beleueth in him, shulde not perisshe, but haue euerlasting lyfe."

Tyndale (1534):
"For God so loveth the worlde, that he hath geven his only sonne, that none that beleve in him, shuld perisshe: but shuld have everlastinge lyfe."

Wycliff (1380):
"for god loued so the world; that he gaf his oon bigetun sone, that eche man that bileueth in him perisch not: but haue euerlastynge liif,"

Anglo-Saxon Proto-English Manuscripts (995 AD):
“God lufode middan-eard swa, dat he seade his an-cennedan sunu, dat nan ne forweorde de on hine gely ac habbe dat ece lif."


http://www.greatsite.com/facsimile-reproductions/hexapla-1841.html


Arrow So about whom is it safe to say is lying about pretty much everything?

All signs point to Rome. And a PAINFUL RE-ALIGNMENT.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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elbowdeep:
Over there its BAD, over here it's GOOD.
Over there its GOOD, over here it's BAD.

Precisely. It's a neat shorthand for what is going on.

And how the NWO are ready to rip both the developed and developing
world at the same time.

A big part of thre technique is oversimplistic catchphrases, which can
be interpeted in totally different ways -as required. Spin, spin.

A hall of mirrors.


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DrewTerry:
POPE = SATAN


Here's another one. Play around with the letters in SATAN a little:

POPE = SANTA = SATAN

Curiously, popes and santa wear similar costumes!
(Look up the history of magic mushrooms to see why)

And socially the common theme is paternalism, I suppose.

As to language. It is the key operator. Interpeter of reality.

Subject <--Language--> Object.

No wonder it's so political.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I just can't resist getting in on this one....

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Curiously, popes and santa wear similar costumes!
(Look up the history of magic mushrooms to see why)



He knows when you've been sleeping. He knows when you're a awake. He knows if you've been bad or good so OBEY for Jesus sake.......
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DrewTerry:
POPE = SATAN

Well, = SATAN may be giving too much credit to the Popes, but Faust's Mephistophelese would be apt.


The last Pope was just as Evil, but like Reagan, they still needed to play to the suckers at the time with that goodie two shoes act.

Now--THE MASK IS OFF! NYA HA HA HA HA HA! NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION! BEHOLD OUR FULLY OPERATIONAL BATTLE STATION YOUNG SKYWALKER!

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Get that? Seven (7) KIDS parents burned at the stake for teaching their kids to say the Lords prayer in English instead of Latin - but nobody could understand Latin (the point, I know) but who the fuck wants to say a prayer you can't goddamn underfuckingstand???


Bingo. Few people ever notice that, whether Catholic or Lutheran. Both got the same history presentation of the posting on the door thing.

Printing even a passage of the Bible in a contemporary readable language was heresy. Horrid, public death for it was routine, mandatory. Luther published the whole scripture for distribution to the German speaking world. Nothing happened to him. Not only that, dared rant against the Pope by daring to post his dissident points.

More importantly, the family crest of the Luther family was this Rose and Cross.

System upgrade. The Reformation split Christianity into two opposing factions. Opposition, which sustained the Vatican for five more centuries. And creation of a new culture paradigm: the Protestant 'work ethic'. Result: a religion for the clock, the industrial "Revoltion", Colonialism, and perhaps institutionalized slavery.

Following the real logic, the Seven families burned for the heresy of teaching theh Lord's Prayer in their own language (a Captial Offence for centuries), that year may have been sacrifices to the WORKING. Luther, an ordained exoteric Roman Catholic priest (esoteric Rosencrantz, Rosicrutian) performed...under hidden capstone Vatican Aegis.

The exoteric act, the posting of the points to the door (with a hammer and nail--to split). Esoteric.......a Rose and Cross . blood and sword, a THUNDER like Moses---Moses smashed the ten commandments, the first law breaker-- the bringer of the Law gets to break the Laws.

As Charles Man-son (usurper, son of man backwards) said, "I don't break laws, I make laws" (Moses in a mirror, Jesus upside down).

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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POPE = SATAN (I am working on proving it - almost there!)

The Pope and the Catholic Church is THE FALSE PROPHET that is an original extension of the Roman Empire. They control EVERYTHING.

SATAN = POPE ( Pope came first? ;-) Sounds like you have many pies in the oven.

"More pies! More pies!" ~Sweeney Todd, downstairs crowd banging cultlery on table

The language shift example fascinating, I'd love to see a one-to-one mapping of all of this. I could make speling dictionaries and apply them, as goode a wey as e'er to garde myne own profse in he syfting tyde of Googul Serches.

Does the from-the-greek contain any additional clues about the fate of The wife of Lot, like her goddamned name? A peeve from the time of myne owne childhood. These patriarchical jerks are so in-yer-face. One should never burn a bible, lest we forget how silly things can get.

Forget the chicken and the egg, they say, it's strutting barnyard roosters all the way down.

Somewhere near the end of elementary school I was asked to write a and diagram a simple sentance, I skipped the diagramming part by writing "The adjectival noun verbed the direct object, adverbly." Teach gave me a hundred, said I made her laugh. Actually I wanted to give her a footrub but that's another story.

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For example, in Year 1 that useless letter "c" would be dropped to be replased either by "k" or "s", and likewise "x" would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which "c" would be retained would be the "ch" formation, which will be dealt with later.

Year 2 might reform "w" spelling, so that "which" and "one" would take the same konsonant, wile

Year 3 might well abolish "y" replasing it with "i" and

Iear 4 might fiks the "g/j" anomali wonse and for all. Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with

Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and

Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants.

Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez "c", "y" and "x" -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais "ch", "sh", and "th" rispektivli.

Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.


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